Virgin Mary

topic posted Tue, February 6, 2007 - 7:47 AM by  Teresa
I am not sure I can have believe in the "Perpetual Virginity" of Mary.
The last little while I have heard Catholics say about parts of the Bible....
"you can't take what is written in the Bible literally, it is meant to be a metaphor."
I get that but then the Mary issue comes up and they not only believe literally they believe literally an apocryphal text - so which is it, literal believe in some stories and wishy washy belief in others?
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Teresa
  • Re: Virgin Mary

    Tue, February 6, 2007 - 2:39 PM
    Awesome, thought-provoking question. I actually have a bit of an answer. ;)

    Back in the day, there was a sect or group of Jews who dedicated themselves to God, wholey and completely, similar to our religious orders. Part of that pact with God was perpetual virginity. Convents and Monastaries were not yet established; the people got married but never committed themselves to their spouse in a marital way. Remember, at that time it was shaming to the family and the people who did not have a marital partner, so they got married, but vowed to each other and to God to keep their virginity.

    It is believed that Mary was of the same sect. She was dedicated in the temple by her parents, as was John the Baptist.

    Now, I received this info from a public tv program, a more secular venue. Never did check it out for validity, but it makes sense to me, because I'm thinking, that's why the priests, even when they were married, were discouraged from being with their wives. Everything the church does is based on tradition, so the tradition of virginity had to happen somewhere along the line for the church to accept it and promote it. Of course, after a time, the church even proclaimed the priests should not be married to a woman, but only to the church so as not to be divided in any fashion from serving God through the people of the faith in their care.

    Also remember, that in the ancient language there was no word for cousin. Everyone was brother and sister; including the people in the community, the neighbors and friends. Anyone who proclaimed God to be the true God was a brother and sister. When Jesus was told your mother and your sisters and brothers are waiting for you outside, tradition tells us that it was in fact family, but not so closely related as brother and sister. They could have been close childhood friends who worshipped together in the temple.
    • Re: Virgin Mary

      Fri, February 16, 2007 - 10:47 PM
      Anyone have anything to add?
      • Re: Virgin Mary

        Sun, February 18, 2007 - 7:26 AM
        I had meant to thank you LadyLeopardLily for your answer.... I am just going to have to let go and let faith take over.
        • Re: Virgin Mary

          Sun, February 18, 2007 - 8:10 AM
          That is the best, and most humble thing to do, because quite honestly, even though there's all kinds of things circulating regarding this and other issues, the only one who truly knows is God. An act of faith, and obedience, is the highest form of love for God.

          Just a note: the church has for centuries appointed theologins (ack! don't know how to spell)to discredit the teachings of the church. Their sole job in the church is to find loopholes and wrongs in what we believe. They are taken quite seriously, and the bishops and others schooled in theology try to discover what is the truth. There is no argument against dogma, tradition or history that has not been presented before the church, discussed, looked at, dismantled and discredited by leaders in our faith, in order to uncover the truth. These guys when they meet argue and such; and then a decree is set for whatever has been discovered to be of God according to history and tradition, and the word. The church is more concerned about leading us in truth, than she is about being right.

          It is great to ask questions and wonder, and insert your thoughts and beliefs and have an open spirit. God didn't make us robots, after all, and the mere act of thinking about something and discussing it shows great faith and wonderment. God is pleased when we try to search Him out. When we question, it draws us closer to God, does it not? For we always ask Him to show us the way and guide us in all truth, in His perfect truth, and to remove from us anything that is not truth, that is not holy, that is not lovely.
          • Re: Virgin Mary

            Sun, February 18, 2007 - 10:48 AM
            One of the things that I am finding out (and liking) about the Catholic Church is how much they value education and learning and asking and seeking.
            I am also starting to understand why some other Christian leaders may not want people to explore and understand Catechism and why they are taught to fear Catholics rather than know the truth.
            This is becoming a fasinating journey.
            • Re: Virgin Mary

              Sun, February 18, 2007 - 7:52 PM
              Well, we're not a cult, that's why they allow us, and encourage us, to ask questions and learn. I just heard about a particular group, pretty popular one, that a friend of a friend is involved in. They do not allow members to seek higher education, and if they want schooling, they are to go to their training school. What they can learn, I have no idea. I've not heard of such a thing, at least in some huge group like that.

              Dare is great at getting online resources.

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